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Is Above Rubies Quiverfull?

I don’t throw around the accusation of false doctrine lightly.

When I called out Above Rubies, I had no doubt in my mind that I was doing so with a solid footing.

The problem is that the majority of my stories, the basis for my accusation, are not my own. They belong to people I know but with whom I don’t feel comfortable breaking confidence.

So, I’ll try to backup my accusation without breaking those confidences.

Firstly, those who say Above Rubies isn’t Quiverfull say that Above Rubies doesn’t “identify as quiverfull.”

Well, that’s a modern catchphrase isn’t it?

If you don’t call yourself something do you cease to be it?

I know people who follow Jesus who refuse to call themselves Christians. Does that mean that are not? If they fit the definition but do not use the word on themselves does that mean they aren’t?

No, that’s just silly.

Words have definitions.

If you fit the definition, you are it. You don’t cease to be the definition simply because you don’t like the title.

I wish I could cease to be sick by rejecting the title of my illness. That would be nice, wouldn’t it?

I didn’t know before today that “quiverfull” was the name given to those who hold these beliefs by the opponents of the belief.

I used the word because women I know who believe this identify themselves as quiverfull. I didn’t know what other word to use.

Words have meanings even if you don’t like the origin of that word. So, whether people identify as quiverfull or not, if you have the set of beliefs that women must continue having babies and that it’s a sin to not have babies, I’m going to call you quiverfull for lack of a better word.

I’m not using the word derogatorily. I’m using it to identify a certain ideology.

Now that we have addressed the words we use and the objection to the use of that word, let’s look at whether Above Rubies fits that definition.

It is my purpose to expose false teaching as we’re commanded in scripture. I’m not saying that these women aren’t saved. That’s between them and God; I cannot know that.

I will not back down from calling people or groups out for false teaching even if it makes people upset.

The truth is the truth even if people don’t like it.

I will not compromise the truth.

Does Above Rubies support or endorse the quiverfull movement?

The answer is yes.

Either:

1) They believe it all the way to the leadership

Or

2) They choose not to speak out against the false doctrine when it is in their midst and are therefore endorsing it by their silence.

I believe that number 1 is the case based on the Facebook meme I saw on their page a few years ago. It read “To stop having babies is to deny a baby it’s body and a mother her legacy.”

As far as I’m concerned that pretty well speaks for itself.

I suppose that number 2 could be true as well.

I remember them endorsing this idea of quiverfull. It was at the conferences I attended.

 I remember a session where women were asking for prayer and for advice on difficult situations.

One woman said her husband didn’t want to have any more children.

What did they do? Did they suggest that she submit to her husband? Did they suggest that she consider if she’s ready to be done? Did they tell her that’s okay?

No.

They prayed that the husband would change his mind.

Someone offered advice about how to talk to him about this topic, to try to change his mind. There was a website or literature involved if I remember correctly.

It was treated like this women had a husband who was in sin, and they needed to pray him back into obedience to God.

I’m not sure if they came right out and said it, but I know I’m not the only one who came to this conclusion based on what was discussed.

One women recommended a non profit organization that will help you get a vasectomy reversal, and the group discussed how grateful they were to the organization that also helped pay for reversals of a tube tie.

If they didn’t come right and say that it was a sin to stop having children, they surely communicated that they believed this by the way they talked about the men who refused to give their wives more children.

It was the same tone that my friends and I used when someone said their husband wasn’t saved or was into porn. You get the idea.

One woman had finally convinced her husband to have more babies, and it was treated like it was winning a huge spiritual battle.

Now, I’m a pretty conservative lady. I’m not standing on the outside of Christianity attacking the beliefs of a group that’s religious because I’m antireligion.

I’m not antireligion.

I’m inside Christianity (yes, I identify as Christian) and saying that what this group is endorsing –either by intent or by not rebuking it– is unbiblical.

I have many more stories that I’m unable to share.  

I leave room for the possibility that the leaders didn’t know about what was going on in their midst.

But they’re still responsible for what’s being taught in their Facebook page or conference.

Is it possible that the Mormon meme was accidentally posted to the Above Rubies Facebook page?

Yes. It is possible.

But they have a responsibility to teach the truth.

If I knew that those in my midst were teaching false doctrine and enslaving women to man made rules I’d speak up about it.

It’s not even happening in my group, and I am speaking up about it.

When the advice given to women regarding children reflects quiverfull ideology, what is one to do other than call it by what it looks like?

If somehow a Mormon post accidently made it onto my author page, I would actively seek to correct the false belief.

If someone was espousing obviously unbiblical teaching in my group or at my conference, I would call them out, correct them, see that the truth was being taught.

That has not happened.

Why?

Because I believe that Above Rubies does support that ideology.

If they do not then I welcome them to prove me wrong by speaking out against it.

I seriously doubt they will because so many of their followers believe a woman must keep having babies.

Just the fact that they won’t stand for the truth (if they aren’t quiverfull) would be enough for me to separate myself from the group.

Today has been a very stressful day, deleting comments, answering Facebook messages, looking up information to support my position, in the midst of doctor appointments, homeschooling, and still dealing with post-car-accident stress.

But in spite of all that, I posted, risking that it would upset people –risking that the stress would effect my health– because it’s the truth.

All I expect is for people to stand for the truth even if it’s not popular.

That’s what I did. I told the truth about what I’ve seen.

I will never apologise for advocating for biblical truth.

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Blessings,

Sarah Forbes

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